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Poster: deadn73 Date: Jan 10, 2007 6:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: giving donna her due

im not a big fan of donna (im not gonna start a bash donna thread i know thats been covered and then some), but i was listening to a sing me back home from 7-2-71 i think, great show.. but without donna on the sing me back home, wailing away i felt that it lacked the same emotional power of the 72 versions, anyone else feel the same way about this song

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Poster: TheGreat_and_Knowledgable Date: Jan 10, 2007 6:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: giving donna her due

some songs need donna, or phil trying to sing high vocals. Jack Straw is another example i'd say

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Poster: ducats Date: Jan 10, 2007 7:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: giving donna her due

I actually happen to like her - but Sing Me Back Home (my favorite tune) is fine without her.

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Poster: deadmax Date: Jan 10, 2007 7:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: giving donna her due

Donna adds a LOT and I really like her. and her singing. she kinda reminds me of an everyman (person) like most of the rest of the band. She wasn't great alot (as was the same with Jerry and Bob but rarely Phil and the drummers or keyboarders) but she really added a SOUND to the band that no one else could have done. So her part in the opus is to be ... her. Better or worse. there were lots of worse but there were more "betters".




Just like all of us.





Assholes included. And you know who I'm talking about!

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Poster: Ssag Date: Jan 10, 2007 8:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: giving donna her due

What you gonna do bash me til the end (?)

Personally I love hearing Donna and have no issues with her. It adds flavor and some harmony that is lacking sometimes w/o her. No of this is meant to be negative nor commentary towards anyone.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jan 10, 2007 9:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: giving donna her due

Sorry, can totally live without her singing. I can stand and allmost once and awhile like a little some of her 76 era harmonies but other than that - no thanks. I will say I like what her and Jer did on Tomorrow is Forever. I think she is much more essential to that song than Sing Me BAck Home. Just my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 10, 2007 9:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: giving donna her due

been listening to the Mosque while farting around here tonight and emailing folks - she is dealable on that show

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Poster: cush11 Date: Jan 10, 2007 9:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: giving donna her due

Is that the '79 Grok show?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 10, 2007 9:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: giving donna her due

5/25/77

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Poster: cush11 Date: Jan 10, 2007 9:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: giving donna her due

Let's stay on this thread... Don't want to polluting the voting thresad so to speak. May 1977, could be the true Grokathon... Might have to do every show that month... Truly, IMHO the strongest, bestest ever month of Grateful Dead bar none!!!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jan 10, 2007 10:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: giving donna her due

what was this thread??? i have no idea - didnt' even look at the original i dont think

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Poster: BryanE Date: Jan 11, 2007 9:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: giving donna her due

I saw at least one post in this thread from earlier today, so apparently somebody's still reading it. Here's a couple more cents worth.

When I think back on that day I was introduced, so to speak, to The Grateful Dead, one of the elements that seemed to be on equal standing with everything else that this extraordinary ensemble presented was the lady at the microphone standing center-stage wearing an ankle-length paisley-colored skirt. Her contribution seemed integral to me and not a bit out of place. I certainly didn't walk away thinking, "I liked all of it except the woman singer," and my opinion has never changed about her, either. The observations posted here regarding the problems she had hearing herself on stage, though, have been confirmed numerous times by the guys who were playin' in the band. I understand that the audience never universally accepted her, but a lot of us really liked having her around, and not having an understanding of the offstage interminglings within the group, I, for one, was a little saddened when she and Keith left. She was a strong talent, and The Grateful Dead were not the only ones who recognized that. The name Elvis Presley should ring a bell as far as that is concerned. Her contribution to the Dead during her tenure had great value. When Phil decided to call it quits for a while as a vocalist, Donna was able to step in and complete the sound nicely, and there are many examples of the trio harmony at the climax of I Know You Rider proving that. Personally, I recall seeing a performance of Sunrise when she nailed it beautifully, the melody and dynamics easily as strong as the studio version on Terrapin Station. We have tentative plans to go to the Jerry tribute fest in Wisconsin this summer, and I'm looking forward to being able to see her for the first time in more than 28 years.

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Jan 11, 2007 7:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: giving donna her due

There are a (very) small number of tunes (such as "Looks Like Rain" which Rich noted above) where I feel she does add something to the proceedings.

Then there are numerous others- such as an uncountable number of versions of "Playing In the Band" - where she leaves nothing but devastation in her wake.

Mostly, she's just there.

I really do subscribe to the idea that her inability to hear herself properly contributed to a lot of her weaker moments, where she seems like she's really straining. Whether or not that's the case, she clearly had issues singing in key on stage.

What's funny is that she seemed (IMO) to get a much better sense of where her voice best fit into the music right before she left the band...mid '77 through early '79, it's like Keith had just sort of disappeared into the haze and Donna came to the forefront.

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Poster: Robony Date: Jan 11, 2007 7:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: giving donna her due

I gotta disagree with repect to PITB. I love the Donna howl and the end of the jam. I think of it as the voice calling you back to reality. A necessary evil.

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: Jan 11, 2007 5:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: giving donna her due

I feel that she was only as good as the monitors would let her be. She has a great voice--worked fine in the studio. It's sometimes hard to hear yourself with that much sound behind you; and she has to sing loud to be heard. Audience recordings often make her seem more shrill than she is.

There are no excuses, however, for the banshee wail on Playing in the Band.

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Poster: deadn73 Date: Jan 10, 2007 9:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: giving donna her due

man i cant stand her on tomarrow is forever, that actually might be the song out of all em that i wish she would shut up the most, she is pretty decent in 76 i know i heard a great high time with her somewhere in that year